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		<title>Comment on Speaking TRUTH in Love by John Minter</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Minter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 01:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much enjoyed and endorse this post. I might add one more paraphrased from Gordon Fee:

Considerate intellectual honesty: Expend the effort to fully understand the argument put forward by those with with whom we disagree before offering a critique. The test is to state their position in our own words such they agree that this fairly characterizes their position. Once we show that we understand, then we can compare the position to the text using solid exegesis and offer an analysis. Jesus said, &quot;you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.&quot; Posing and knocking down a strawman does not honor Christ nor help obtain a listening ear from those we wish to serve and love in His Name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much enjoyed and endorse this post. I might add one more paraphrased from Gordon Fee:</p>
<p>Considerate intellectual honesty: Expend the effort to fully understand the argument put forward by those with with whom we disagree before offering a critique. The test is to state their position in our own words such they agree that this fairly characterizes their position. Once we show that we understand, then we can compare the position to the text using solid exegesis and offer an analysis. Jesus said, &#8220;you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.&#8221; Posing and knocking down a strawman does not honor Christ nor help obtain a listening ear from those we wish to serve and love in His Name.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tenacity in Leadership by visit</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/178/comment-page-1#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator>visit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Rob Gilbert: &quot;First we form habits, then they form us. Conquer your bad habits or they will conquer you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Rob Gilbert: &#8220;First we form habits, then they form us. Conquer your bad habits or they will conquer you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Congregational Government is From Satan by Eric Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/780/comment-page-1#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a pastor of a Southern Baptist Church I told someone recently that I believe God and the devil conspired together against giving us congregational rule to punish us for our roots in slavery.

I would love to co-author with you on this topic. Under congregational rule everyone thinks they are your boss and each has their own standard by which they rule you. One example: I was chastised by one lady for not picking up people on Sunday morning. I told her my wife fills up the car and and I drive the church van picking people up. The next meeting another person criticized me for using too much gas picking people up on Sunday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a pastor of a Southern Baptist Church I told someone recently that I believe God and the devil conspired together against giving us congregational rule to punish us for our roots in slavery.</p>
<p>I would love to co-author with you on this topic. Under congregational rule everyone thinks they are your boss and each has their own standard by which they rule you. One example: I was chastised by one lady for not picking up people on Sunday morning. I told her my wife fills up the car and and I drive the church van picking people up. The next meeting another person criticized me for using too much gas picking people up on Sunday</p>
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		<title>Comment on Immersed in Competence by Lynn Davey</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/631/comment-page-1#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who was this polished lady? I can&#039;t remember.

Think of you often and am forever grateful for a Pastor who loved the Lord. I was just talking to someone recently about how good God has been in giving me Godly Pastors over the years. Guess you got me off to a great start.

Say hello to Peg.

Lynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who was this polished lady? I can&#8217;t remember.</p>
<p>Think of you often and am forever grateful for a Pastor who loved the Lord. I was just talking to someone recently about how good God has been in giving me Godly Pastors over the years. Guess you got me off to a great start.</p>
<p>Say hello to Peg.</p>
<p>Lynn</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Correlation Factor &#8211; Maturity &amp; Unity by Kerry Doyal</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/174/comment-page-1#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry Doyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good word, Tom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good word, Tom.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Expository Preaching by R. Barry Morehead</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/170/comment-page-1#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Barry Morehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this to be critically important to the church of our time.  I am rapidly becoming one of the &quot;old guys&quot;.  The &quot;contemporary&quot; movement that appears to be drawing large crowds concerns me because of the absence of the things you mention.  Not only is there no mention of sin and repentance but emotion is replacing spiritual maturity.  There is no obvious change after the emotion subsides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this to be critically important to the church of our time.  I am rapidly becoming one of the &#8220;old guys&#8221;.  The &#8220;contemporary&#8221; movement that appears to be drawing large crowds concerns me because of the absence of the things you mention.  Not only is there no mention of sin and repentance but emotion is replacing spiritual maturity.  There is no obvious change after the emotion subsides.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your Middle Name by Mickey Park</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/447/comment-page-1#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom...been exercised over the past years of Christian energy wasted on political processes, believing right politicians will preserve our Judeao-Christian heritage. How wrong we were.  You are rigfht, the call is to repentence, humility before the Lord, and a walk with Him in the world unmistakenly declaring His righteousness. No  wonder our world has rejected cultural Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom&#8230;been exercised over the past years of Christian energy wasted on political processes, believing right politicians will preserve our Judeao-Christian heritage. How wrong we were.  You are rigfht, the call is to repentence, humility before the Lord, and a walk with Him in the world unmistakenly declaring His righteousness. No  wonder our world has rejected cultural Christianity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Courage to Lead by Pastor Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/176/comment-page-1#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tom for your courageous leadership.  Keep hammering away with the message!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tom for your courageous leadership.  Keep hammering away with the message!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sell The Problem, Not The Solution by Russ</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteus.net/archives/173/comment-page-1#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leading Change - Called for a Purpose&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;Edmund Burke, an Irish orator, philosopher, and politician said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The movie, Amazing Grace, is the story of a man called to the purpose of ridding the world of the evil of slavery. During the movie, the friend of William Wilberforce commented that he [William] had found God. More aptly, William replied, “He found me.” (I couldn’t help but say “amen” after his remark.) Wilberforce was called for a purpose. Over 20 years, he faced harsh opposition, and his health suffered, but he persisted. He did something with what he believed. His compassion became passion for this purpose. He persisted through to its completion. After he had successfully led the political movement to abolish slave trading in Great Britain, he continued his fight to abolish slavery. He saw this succeed as well and then he died a few days later.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We often read scripture without seeing the parallels throughout history and in current times. As a result, we gain knowledge but the application rolls off our backs with no impact. In reading Acts 21-22, I cannot help but see the parallel between the story of Wilberforce and Paul during his final visit to Jerusalem. The Jews who were following Paul around inciting crowds against him continued in Jerusalem – “they stirred up the whole crowd against him and seized him.” (Acts 21:27) The passage indicates that the entire city became aroused, and they were trying to kill Paul. Why? Because he was delivering the message of Christ to the Gentiles, violating Jewish law, and specifically on this day he had brought Greeks into the temple “defiling this holy place.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Jews had lost their purpose somewhere along the way. In Genesis 12:3, God had told Abraham, the Father of the Jews, that “all peoples on earth will be blessed through you” -- all peoples, not some or those you select or prefer, but all peoples. The Jews had replaced God’s purpose with their preference, God’s compassion with their customs. Ironically, the rejection of the Greeks and the attempted killing of Paul were all in the name of God. Steven Weinberg said:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Despite the opposition, Paul persisted. The chaos and uproar attracted the attention of the commander of the Roman army stationed there and he stopped the violence. Paul asked for permission to speak to the people. “Having received the commander&#039;s permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them …” The text says that “when they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet.” According to www.jewish-languages.org:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“Aramaic is a close sister of Hebrew and is identified as a &quot;Jewish&quot; language, since it is the language of major Jewish texts. Aramaic has been until our present time a language of … debate in many [traditional Jewish schools], as many rabbinic texts are written in a mixture of Hebrew and Aramaic.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul knew how to relate to people. He was demonstrating to these Jewish religious leaders that he was familiar with their religious language. With their attention, Paul proceeded to give his testimony. In relating to them, he stated, “I am a Jew … brought up in this city. … I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers and was just as zealous for God as any of you are today.” He begins with his credentials and similarities to them. And, then he associates with their actions and their cause:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After he demonstrates an understanding, he transitions to his conversion experience. In this experience, Paul communicates that he has been chosen for a purpose:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;“The God of our fathers has chosen [me] to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth … [to] be his witness to all men of what [I] have seen and heard.”&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then, Paul became very specific regarding his call to reach the Gentiles, the non-Jew, when he referenced the command from the Lord -- “Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles.” The passage tells us that the crowd listened to him until this. As soon as he mentioned his calling to the Gentiles, the Jews “raised their voices” and asked for the Romans to take his life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Jews were not chosen because God preferred them; they were chosen to be his vessel to reach all people groups. Yet, their reaction here was blatant racism and prejudice. Contrasting the characters: a) the Jews of Judaism placed their preference and prejudices ahead of their purpose; b) the Jewish believers were complicit by passively standing by; and c) Paul was passionate for Christ and his calling, his purpose.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As Christians, we must consider others before ourselves (Philippians 2:1-5). Christ demonstrated his love to us (and the world) while we were separated from him (Romans 5:8). He loves us in spite of who we are or where we are in our life. Jesus considered people’s needs as he related to them both physically and spiritually. Do we put ourselves in their shoes, see their needs, and feel their feelings. Evangelism is telling people about Jesus; missions involve understanding them before we tell them. [Ed Stetzer and David Putman, Breaking the Missional Code, (Broadman &amp; Holman Publishers), 3] Do we meet those needs with no strings attached? Or, are we excessively devoted to our own preferences allowing our way to get in the way of reaching others? At the end of the day, I have to remember – we all have to remember – that it is not about me, it is not about you. It is about Jesus sending us to peoples to proclaim the gospel in a way that they can understand. Our churches often struggle because we put our preferences over our call – our preferences over our mission. [Ed Stetzer and David Putman, Breaking the Missional Code, (Broadman &amp; Holman Publishers), 3]&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Stay the course in the purpose to which God has called you regardless of the obstacles. And, realize that sometimes your greatest obstacles come from “good, religious” people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leading Change &#8211; Called for a Purpose</p>
<p>Edmund Burke, an Irish orator, philosopher, and politician said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”</p>
<p>The movie, Amazing Grace, is the story of a man called to the purpose of ridding the world of the evil of slavery. During the movie, the friend of William Wilberforce commented that he [William] had found God. More aptly, William replied, “He found me.” (I couldn’t help but say “amen” after his remark.) Wilberforce was called for a purpose. Over 20 years, he faced harsh opposition, and his health suffered, but he persisted. He did something with what he believed. His compassion became passion for this purpose. He persisted through to its completion. After he had successfully led the political movement to abolish slave trading in Great Britain, he continued his fight to abolish slavery. He saw this succeed as well and then he died a few days later.</p>
<p>We often read scripture without seeing the parallels throughout history and in current times. As a result, we gain knowledge but the application rolls off our backs with no impact. In reading Acts 21-22, I cannot help but see the parallel between the story of Wilberforce and Paul during his final visit to Jerusalem. The Jews who were following Paul around inciting crowds against him continued in Jerusalem – “they stirred up the whole crowd against him and seized him.” (Acts 21:27) The passage indicates that the entire city became aroused, and they were trying to kill Paul. Why? Because he was delivering the message of Christ to the Gentiles, violating Jewish law, and specifically on this day he had brought Greeks into the temple “defiling this holy place.”</p>
<p>The Jews had lost their purpose somewhere along the way. In Genesis 12:3, God had told Abraham, the Father of the Jews, that “all peoples on earth will be blessed through you” &#8212; all peoples, not some or those you select or prefer, but all peoples. The Jews had replaced God’s purpose with their preference, God’s compassion with their customs. Ironically, the rejection of the Greeks and the attempted killing of Paul were all in the name of God. Steven Weinberg said:</p>
<p>“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”</p>
<p>Despite the opposition, Paul persisted. The chaos and uproar attracted the attention of the commander of the Roman army stationed there and he stopped the violence. Paul asked for permission to speak to the people. “Having received the commander&#39;s permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned to the crowd. When they were all silent, he said to them …” The text says that “when they heard him speak to them in Aramaic, they became very quiet.” According to <a href="http://www.jewish-languages.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewish-languages.org</a>:</p>
<p>“Aramaic is a close sister of Hebrew and is identified as a &quot;Jewish&quot; language, since it is the language of major Jewish texts. Aramaic has been until our present time a language of … debate in many [traditional Jewish schools], as many rabbinic texts are written in a mixture of Hebrew and Aramaic.”</p>
<p>Paul knew how to relate to people. He was demonstrating to these Jewish religious leaders that he was familiar with their religious language. With their attention, Paul proceeded to give his testimony. In relating to them, he stated, “I am a Jew … brought up in this city. … I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers and was just as zealous for God as any of you are today.” He begins with his credentials and similarities to them. And, then he associates with their actions and their cause:</p>
<p>“I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify.”</p>
<p>After he demonstrates an understanding, he transitions to his conversion experience. In this experience, Paul communicates that he has been chosen for a purpose:</p>
<p>“The God of our fathers has chosen [me] to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth … [to] be his witness to all men of what [I] have seen and heard.”</p>
<p>Then, Paul became very specific regarding his call to reach the Gentiles, the non-Jew, when he referenced the command from the Lord &#8212; “Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles.” The passage tells us that the crowd listened to him until this. As soon as he mentioned his calling to the Gentiles, the Jews “raised their voices” and asked for the Romans to take his life.</p>
<p>The Jews were not chosen because God preferred them; they were chosen to be his vessel to reach all people groups. Yet, their reaction here was blatant racism and prejudice. Contrasting the characters: a) the Jews of Judaism placed their preference and prejudices ahead of their purpose; b) the Jewish believers were complicit by passively standing by; and c) Paul was passionate for Christ and his calling, his purpose.</p>
<p>As Christians, we must consider others before ourselves (Philippians 2:1-5). Christ demonstrated his love to us (and the world) while we were separated from him (Romans 5:8). He loves us in spite of who we are or where we are in our life. Jesus considered people’s needs as he related to them both physically and spiritually. Do we put ourselves in their shoes, see their needs, and feel their feelings. Evangelism is telling people about Jesus; missions involve understanding them before we tell them. [Ed Stetzer and David Putman, Breaking the Missional Code, (Broadman &amp; Holman Publishers), 3] Do we meet those needs with no strings attached? Or, are we excessively devoted to our own preferences allowing our way to get in the way of reaching others? At the end of the day, I have to remember – we all have to remember – that it is not about me, it is not about you. It is about Jesus sending us to peoples to proclaim the gospel in a way that they can understand. Our churches often struggle because we put our preferences over our call – our preferences over our mission. [Ed Stetzer and David Putman, Breaking the Missional Code, (Broadman &amp; Holman Publishers), 3]</p>
<p>Stay the course in the purpose to which God has called you regardless of the obstacles. And, realize that sometimes your greatest obstacles come from “good, religious” people.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sell The Problem, Not The Solution by The Fillinger Files</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fillinger Files</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only God can change a heart and he does that through His word.  Jesus prayed for us that God&#039;s Word would sanctify us.  That is how he brings Transformation.  We need pastors that preach the Word in season and out.  Al Mohler has an excellent book discussing this lacking need in our churches - He Is Not Silent, a Theology of Preaching. That is a good place for leaders to start.  May God send revival and a hearing of His word.  The day is coming when there will be a famine.  I pray it is not this day.  Happy New Year to all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only God can change a heart and he does that through His word.  Jesus prayed for us that God&#8217;s Word would sanctify us.  That is how he brings Transformation.  We need pastors that preach the Word in season and out.  Al Mohler has an excellent book discussing this lacking need in our churches &#8211; He Is Not Silent, a Theology of Preaching. That is a good place for leaders to start.  May God send revival and a hearing of His word.  The day is coming when there will be a famine.  I pray it is not this day.  Happy New Year to all.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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